Introduction
[00:00:00] Detective Ev: Nicely, whats up, my mates. Welcome again to a different episode of the Well being Detective Podcast by Practical Diagnostic Vitamin. My title is Evan Transue, AKA Detective Ev. I will likely be your host for at present’s present on the HTMA take a look at.
We’re switching it up just a little bit at present. That is the primary time we’re doing what we’re about to do, and we’re going over dwell lab outcomes. There’s two methods to devour this episode. You’ll be able to pay attention on the audio, and I don’t suppose it could be an issue in any respect. I feel you’ll be capable of get the majority of the knowledge that you just want. However as well as, if you happen to’re listening to this proper now, it additionally implies that the YouTube model of that is out, and we’re doing a dwell video display share the place we’re truly seeing the lab outcomes as effectively.
I’m doing this full disclosure to convey extra consideration to our YouTube as a result of we’ve achieved audio for about two years now. We’ve had lots of success right here, we’re very blessed. However we simply began posting on YouTube considerably lately. Once you try this, you’re principally ranging from sq. one, it’s principally sq. one for us.
I don’t even suppose I’ve talked about on right here that we’re doing it on YouTube. So, you guys do have the power to observe a few of these episodes on YouTube. We’re stacking them up as we go. There are three releases every week on there. Simply to be clear, that’s not any further episodes, it’s simply to make up for misplaced time as a result of we launch two right here each week and we have to catch as much as the place we’re at on the YouTube web page. So, we’re doing three releases every week there, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Changing into an Knowledgeable within the HTMA Check
Once more, if you happen to’re listening to this one proper now, then which means we now have the video up and you may verify the lab outcomes when that a part of the podcast comes up. It’s solely about 17 minutes into the recording itself, most likely about 20, 21 minutes on this specific audio. No have to go do it proper now, however if you wish to do it, you have got that capacity. I’ll have the YouTube hyperlink within the present notes for you guys.
We’re speaking to Barbara Madimenos. She is somebody who’s been on earlier than if you happen to’re a long-time listener. She was on again, January 4th, 2022. She was the primary episode of the yr, truly, the place we talked concerning the issues that she struggled with well being clever: lacking durations, anorexia, and osteoporosis. If you wish to hear her story, once more, verify the present notes, the hyperlink will likely be there.
As we speak we’re bringing her on as a result of she is just about turning into an knowledgeable in HTMA, which is hair, tissue, mineral evaluation. I have to put one disclaimer on earlier than we do that episode at present trigger I would like to have the ability to do extra episodes like this. However I do know that we now have lots of people who’re contemplating the FDN course listening to this. I do know we now have lots of people who’re present and lively trainees listening to this.
Prepare Up Earlier than Utilizing the HTMA Check
If me posting a podcast like this finally ends up resulting in different issues, we’re not going to have the ability to do it sooner or later. It’s actually easy and very easy to keep away from the issues, so let me clarify what I imply. The FDN system teaches six exams in and of itself. We go over stool testing, hormone testing, mucosal barrier assessments (principally a leaky intestine take a look at, roughly), a metabolic wellness panel, the metabolic typing food regimen in and of itself, and meals sensitivities, in fact. We take a look at for these six issues.
You’ve entry to over 60 labs, in counting, when you graduate. If you wish to make the most of a few of these further labs, whether or not it’s since you suppose you might be simply thinking about it, or possibly a kind of exams finally ends up being one thing that actually helps you and it has a particular place in your coronary heart. All of that’s high quality.
What we’re asking is that earlier than you begin going out and attempting to make use of these exams, deal with what you had been educated in first. This technique has been confirmed for the final upwards of 30 one thing years, as a result of Reed was doing this for a very long time earlier than it ever grew to become a course. Reed ran 10,000 labs, nearly 11,000 labs, I imagine truly, on shoppers earlier than he was instructing this to anybody else. The man is aware of what he’s doing.
Observe Your FDN Coaching Earlier than Including on the HTMA Check
The system was created in a sure means, from precise, actual lived expertise. With all due respect, it comes throughout as just a little conceited nearly once we come into the course and suppose that we’ll go do it a unique means and do it higher.
It’s like, the place do you have got the justification to do this? Have you ever run 10,000 labs? I imply, maybe you’re the one in 1,000,000 who has. More than likely if you happen to’re coming into this course, you haven’t achieved that but although. Possibly, simply possibly, we should always strive it the FDN means earlier than we begin including on different issues.
My level in saying that’s we are able to’t be going into the FDN coaching group saying, I need to get entry to this take a look at and that take a look at, something that I discuss on right here. I’m attempting to do that for you guys to maintain it attention-grabbing, to maintain it recent, and to simply convey on one thing that you just may need to study.
You may need to use this later down the highway. Possibly you do need to take the superior programs. Nicely, FDN doesn’t provide a complicated HTMA take a look at right now. However we now have a beautiful FDN graduate, Kendra Perry, who has one of many higher trainings within the business. Some think about it the perfect. It’s fairly superb that that’s an FDN, who’s achieved that. Congrats to her. If you wish to go try this, that’s high quality. However I want you to have the ability to take heed to this at present if you happen to’re a trainee or somebody contemplating the course. Give it some thought as being attention-grabbing, as being cool, however not one thing that you’re going to use day one after graduating, when you have got zero coaching on it.
Don’t Run Any Check Earlier than Getting the Coaching on It
What I need to depart you with is that this earlier than we get to the episode. One of the best take a look at on this planet, essentially the most superior know-how, the perfect out there may be not truly the perfect take a look at to the one that doesn’t know the way to analyze it. One of the best take a look at with the perfect know-how on this planet is just not truly the perfect to the one that doesn’t know the way to analyze it. Does that make sense?
How are you serving to the particular person if you happen to run a very fancy, nice take a look at that you just don’t know the way to use? If you wish to use these different exams sooner or later, that’s high quality. Get the coaching on it. However for now, when you’re beginning your FDN follow or possibly working for another person, stick with what you realize. Persist with the principle stuff, make the most of that, after which add on as you go.
I apologize for that lengthy introduction. However critically, that is such an vital subject right here that I needed to preface it as a result of in any other case I’m not going to have the ability to do that sooner or later. Should you guys are in a position to separate these things and it’s not coming again to me that I’m introducing these exams to individuals who haven’t gone via the FDN course totally but, effectively then guess what? We’re going to have the ability to do that on a regular basis, and I’m going to have the ability to discuss 30 various things and have a very nice time on this over the following yr.
So, let’s be taught to simply stability it. Let’s all be cool about it. Follow what we all know after which add on stuff that you just may discover attention-grabbing right here as time goes on. With out additional ado, let’s get to at present’s episode.
Specializing in Hormones and the HTMA Check
All proper. Whats up, Barbara. Welcome again to the Well being Detective Podcast. How are you?
Barbara Madimenos: Good. How are you?
Detective Ev: I’m doing very effectively, thanks.
Barbara is a kind of people who’s truly been on earlier than. Should you’re a long-time listener, you may keep in mind her. I truly pulled up the episode, Episode 106. It was January 4th of this yr, 2022 that you just had been launched.
Should you guys need to hear Barbara’s full story, positively go there. We talked about anorexia, lacking durations, osteoporosis. It was some stuff that truly hadn’t been introduced up earlier than on this present. Positively you and I relate to the psychological well being aspect of issues quite a bit. I do know that we went fairly deep that day into that. Should you’re thinking about these subjects, I’d extremely suggest checking that out. I’ll have the hyperlink to that within the present notes on anyplace that you just’re listening to this podcast.
However for at present, we’re taking a totally separate route. I needed to convey Barbara on as a result of one of many issues that she has actually began to face out with, this sort of occurs to all FDN practitioners. Proper? I really feel like if I requested you what’s the subject that I stand out with, individuals would say like the sunshine stuff. You realize that’s actually my factor. I really like speaking about it.
Barbara’s actually moved into the hormonal aspect and HTMA and we’re going to deal with the latter at present. I’m certain they’re truly fairly interconnected with how you utilize the HTMA. So, let’s simply begin with the fundamentals and produce somebody proper via it. What does HTMA stand for and what are we once we run this take a look at with somebody?
The HTMA Check Analyzes Minerals and Heavy Metals
[00:07:37] Barbara Madimenos: HTMA stands for hair, tissue, mineral evaluation. So basically what we do is we take a bit of your hair that’s near the basis.
It’s a median, or an accumulation, or like a mirrored image, I assume I ought to say, of the previous three to 4 months of your well being. We analyze our minerals, and we additionally analyze heavy metals.
[00:07:56] Detective Ev: Very cool. I truly ran this for the primary time. It’s one thing that we now have entry to as FDN practitioners.
I feel I’ll put this within the intro as effectively, however one factor I ought to preface, simply so individuals hear it once more, this isn’t one thing that we train in the principle FDN course. So typically I’m like hesitant. I’m like, do I convey individuals on to speak about these items? However I really feel like individuals simply should be taught to suppose critically.
We’ve got the principle FDN course, it really works very effectively. And 80% of the time that’s going to be all you want for many shoppers, if you happen to’re truly doing it. Nevertheless, there’s a cause that we now have entry to over 60 labs and counting as FDNs. It’s as a result of some individuals need to possibly change issues up or they need to concentrate on a sure means. Not like a physician would essentially however concentrate on a sure subject like this.
Or possibly they’ve a private story the place that take a look at actually helped them and that’s one thing now, they need to use. So, I ran this take a look at myself only a few months again and I’ll clarify why I did that later. However I used to be fairly fascinated by a few of the issues that I discovered.
The HTMA Check Helps Pinpoint Imbalances
How did you get into this? Like what was the attraction to you because it’s not one thing that’s truly taught in the principle FDN course?
[00:08:55] Barbara Madimenos: It was attention-grabbing as a result of I initially, I discussed this within the final episode, I initially began in search of methods to sort of assist myself really feel higher as recovering from my consuming dysfunction. I used to be like, what sort of meals can I eat? What vitamins have they got that I could be lacking? Like, these are the signs that I’m having, proper?
So, if I wasn’t sleeping effectively, if I had lots of nervousness, I’d attain for meals that had been increased in magnesium, issues like that. I simply obtained very fascinated by the mineral side as a result of nutritional vitamins, it’s not that they work together that in a different way, however minerals basically are just a little extra sophisticated, I assume you could possibly say.
As I used to be additionally working with different shoppers, I spotted that hormonal points weren’t the basis trigger to lots of people’s issues. Normally there’s a cause why you have got a hormonal concern, proper? So, I attempted to work backwards. I used to be like, okay, effectively what synthesizes a hormone? And like what creates an enzymatic response. And like, what does this?
You go down the rabbit gap and you’re employed backwards. Trigger I feel as a substitute of working ahead, it’s a must to work backwards to search out the basis trigger to one thing. I ended up with minerals. I simply discovered it actually fascinating. It’s not a lot that you just could be lacking minerals, but it surely’s that you just may need an imbalance of minerals. And the way your physique is both burning via them or utilizing them, or how possibly your physique’s simply not absorbing them adequately and so forth.
Hint Parts HTMA Check
[00:10:20] Detective Ev: It’s an vital subject to convey up since you actually can’t get into our world as FDNs with out listening to about this finally. We’re actually lucky, by coincidence, a well known FDN, her title’s Kendra Perry, she truly has top-of-the-line programs on the market on HTMA. I imply, individuals love this factor.
It was cool as a result of she had a vital position in FDN at one level, too. If I’m not mistaken, I feel she’s even on our advisory board nonetheless. She knew the way to combine this completely with our system and what we’re doing right here.
I need to backtrack for a second, trigger I forgot. I ought to have requested one thing apparent. I’m not anticipating you to recite each little marker on HTMA, however once we are talking concerning the HTMA take a look at, I really feel such as you most likely simply use one or two exams, possibly tops. So what take a look at are you primarily utilizing, like which lab? And what markers are you ?
Once more, we are able to simply go over the principle ones in order for you. I’m not anticipating us to go over each single one.
[00:11:08] Barbara Madimenos: I take advantage of TEI, Hint Parts, which is the one which I take advantage of simply because I discover that they’ve a broader selection. I like the best way that they break up the techniques and the way to have a look at it. I feel it’s simpler on the eyes as effectively. If I’m not mistaken, I feel it’s only a bit cheaper for shoppers. So, I simply work with them that means.
However when it comes to like what I have a look at, I imply, you do should technically have a look at the entire thing as a result of all the pieces means one thing.
HTMA Check – The Essential Macro Minerals
Once you’re doing a primary evaluation, I normally simply inform shoppers, let’s work first on the fundamentals, just like the foundations, proper? As a result of you possibly can’t have the foundations after which count on all the pieces to work. That’s with like every take a look at, that’s with like every protocol.
I sometimes have a look at your 4 principal electrolytes. Some individuals prefer to additionally have a look at the 5. So, your calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, and your phosphorus.
[00:11:59] Detective Ev: What I need to do truly is we’ll convey up my take a look at outcomes quickly and sort of go over these 4 or 5 principal issues in addition to another stuff. However I’ve heard this earlier than. I’m not an knowledgeable on it regardless of having ran it, I ran it on myself. In order that’s completely okay. As an FDN, you possibly can run something on your self if you happen to’re not an knowledgeable and be taught that means.
I wouldn’t essentially use this with an plentiful of shoppers, like personally, as a result of I don’t know sufficient about it. However I’ve heard over and time and again, this concept that these 4 principal markers or 5 principal markers, on this case, are a few of the most vital regardless of all the pieces having to be checked out.
So, what are a few of the principal causes that these are thought of to be sort of the massive weapons? Like they’re actually the vital issues.
[00:12:38] Barbara Madimenos: I feel they’re the principle macro minerals, I assume you could possibly say, the principle minerals basically, that may affect different minerals. Additionally they can characterize principal physique techniques trigger we additionally have a look at your minerals in a ratio sequence.
HTMA Check – Mineral Ratios & What They Level To
Your calcium, sure, represents many issues akin to your oxidation price and the calcium that would probably be popping out of your bones, when you have like a really excessive marker.
However if you happen to had been to have a look at your calcium to magnesium ratio, we’d additionally acknowledge it because the blood sugar ratio. Or if you happen to had been to have a look at your calcium to potassium ratio, we’d acknowledge that as your thyroid ratio. Or your sodium to magnesium ratio, that’s your adrenal ratio. There’s techniques that we may additionally sort of peek via in with these principal minerals.
[00:13:29] Detective Ev: If I’ll ask, I really feel such as you’ve shared comparable issues earlier than, so I hope that is okay. What had been you discovering in your take a look at if you ran this after having handled what you handled? Trigger I really feel like, simply realizing the situations, if we’re not consuming sufficient, if we now have osteoporosis, that in and of itself is already implying sure issues that will present up on the take a look at.
Had been you shocked by what you discovered? What had been a few of the principal issues that had been on there when you ran the take a look at?
[00:13:52] Barbara Madimenos: Curiously sufficient, I didn’t run a hair take a look at whereas I used to be recovering. I ran my first hair take a look at once I would have thought of myself just a little extra steady from my consuming dysfunction. However I feel my physique was nonetheless beneath a lot stress that I used to be experiencing extra of a burnout than anything. Once I ran my first hair take a look at, I used to be a large number.
HTMA Check as A Standalone Check
My calcium was via the roof. It was linked clearly to my osteoporosis. I wasn’t retaining calcium adequately. My sodium was ridiculously low, and my potassium was additionally leaving my tissues, which we’d additionally think about extra of a trauma ratio if you’re your sodium to potassium ratio.
I wasn’t shocked, however I used to be like, wow, I’ve lots of work to do.
[00:14:39] Detective Ev: I feel that’s how it may be typically in our work particularly the higher that we get. It’s not that we’re in a position to predict it completely. That’s why we take a look at, we’re not ready to do this. However we are able to get just a little extra educated and also you’re like, I’m fairly certain it’s going to be this manner.
Then when you see it, there’s all the time a unique expertise from the guess versus, okay, these are the target outcomes that I simply obtained again from this take a look at. That is truly what’s taking place within the physique. That is what I have to go do. Possibly I’m getting just a little forward of myself now, as a result of I do know that I would love individuals to stay inside the principle FDN system first, earlier than attempting to do stuff like this.
Nevertheless, I do know lots of people use this take a look at as a standalone or an entryway into the precise larger exams. Like Kendra, if I’m not mistaken, nearly teaches this as one thing you should use as a standalone as a result of it’s an inexpensive take a look at and it’s very efficient.
Are you utilizing that in any respect typically? Like, are you utilizing this as a standalone take a look at with shoppers or have you ever at the very least up to now?
The HTMA Check Can Reveal Purchasers’ Energetics
[00:15:30] Barbara Madimenos: Yeah, it’s the one take a look at that I run on each single shopper that involves me it doesn’t matter what they’re coping with. I discover that I may get a very good thought as to how their physique’s reacting.
That is going to sound a bit woo-woo, but additionally just like the energetics of the person. I discover that if you peek into their oxidation price, like whether or not they’re a gradual or a quick oxidizer, you possibly can inform a bit like which state of stress they’re in and in addition how they’re residing their life when it comes to their persona.
I imply, minerals do affect our persona to a sure diploma as effectively. So yeah, I take advantage of the HTMA as a standalone. If I really feel like we have to do additional investigation, then I’ll run a GI MAP take a look at. Possibly I’ll run a saliva take a look at for hormones. I discover that the extra I work with shoppers, the extra I can decide up on their signs and decide issues up a bit simpler, if that is sensible.
[00:16:20] Detective Ev: It’s truthful to say. I feel individuals which might be listening and possibly they’re trainees, are model new, proper. That may contradict stuff that they’re studying. Let’s additionally think about the truth that sure individuals have been doing this for a lot of, a few years. Proper? If you’re working with a sure kind of shopper attracting a sure kind of particular person, and also you’re feeling that you’re getting good outcomes, I imply, the outcomes don’t lie. So, if individuals are getting objectively good outcomes with you and also you’re doing it a barely completely different means, I don’t suppose anybody’s arguing that.
HTMA Check – Peering into Sure Physique Methods
However in case you are a trainee listening, simply take into accout, don’t repair what isn’t damaged. Do the system first, be taught that after which refine it ultimately which may work to your particular follow since you possibly can run this in any means that you really want higher for you.
However don’t shoot your self within the foot. Should you haven’t even began but, don’t be attempting to do various things. We’ve got practitioners, the one Brendan man, proper? I imply he runs just like the natural acids take a look at on everybody. There’s loads of FDN practitioners that may by no means try this, and it really works out simply high quality. It’s cool to search out one thing that works for you as effectively. I simply need to put that disclaimer on trigger I do know lots of trainees pay attention, so that you’ll get why I’m saying that.
What I’m interested in particularly since you might be utilizing this so usually as a standalone, Kendra had all the time talked about this as like, you possibly can actually get individuals feeling quite a bit higher, pretty rapidly in comparison with another issues by doing this take a look at. I do know that it’d be possibly onerous to quantify the precise share, however generally, are you discovering that to be correct?
Are you saying most individuals can run the HTMA, they may get the in accordance dietary supplements for it, they usually truly are feeling at the very least considerably higher fairly rapidly simply from that take a look at alone?
[00:17:42] Barbara Madimenos: Yeah, I might say sure. It’s so universally utilized. You realize, minerals run all the pieces basically. It doesn’t simply correlate to your power ranges or heavy steel toxicity. Like I mentioned, there’s sure physique techniques that you could possibly sort of peer into.
The HTMA Check is Pretty Low cost
Should you really feel such as you want this additional investigation, you could possibly, whether or not it’s the adrenals, the thyroid, you could possibly even have a look at abdomen acidity and liver operate via a hair take a look at. So, by actually being attentive to these patterns, you could possibly most certainly assist somebody fairly effectively so long as you don’t have to do additional investigation.
[00:18:19] Detective Ev: I feel that’s one of many greatest issues about it’s purposeful healthcare is just not notably low cost. That’s all the time one of many greatest boundaries and we proceed to combat for that. However as of the second of recording this, it’s not low cost. So, individuals have to know that it really works.
You may need an unimaginable story, otherwise you may know them and possibly they already belief you. But when somebody’s simply assembly you on-line or on the espresso store or at a presentation that you just did, this could typically be an amazing entryway software to indicate them, wow, this particular person is aware of what they’re speaking about. As a result of the take a look at itself is barely like 100 one thing {dollars} and that’s with our medical director stuff. So, it’s truly even cheaper than that.
The dietary supplements are literally the costliest half. Do you utilize the Vykon Customs?
[00:18:56] Barbara Madimenos: I don’t. I simply discover that it’s costly. I strive my finest to essentially work with the shopper, particularly now after what’s occurred up to now two years. It’s simply been a bit tough for individuals to pay that. To not say that I don’t suggest them, I’ve heard nice issues utilizing these merchandise. I simply attempt to discover various things.
Supplementing In keeping with HTMA Check Outcomes
That being mentioned, I work many roles, however I’ve additionally began working for an additional firm they usually promote mineral dietary supplements. They’re truly actually not that costly. From my understanding, the absorbability of those dietary supplements are just a little over 90% in comparison with different dietary supplements.
So, it’s attention-grabbing, you realize. I could be recommending these items quickly since I simply began. However no, I attempt to work with the shopper’s finances, and we work it out.
[00:19:42] Detective Ev: Honest sufficient. Once I ran it, I sort of knew what I used to be moving into with the Vykon factor. I requested Ryan Monahan. I requested him like, dude, what am I ? What’s it most likely going to value? He mentioned, it’s going to most certainly be this. So, once I purchased the take a look at, I already had all the cash collectively. I’m identical to, all proper, cool. Let’s do the total factor.
I’ll say Vykon Customs, it was superb for people who don’t know. They’re like, what are you guys speaking about? Vykon Customs is an organization truly based by an FDN. What they’re attempting to do is principally create a means that individuals don’t should take 1,000,000 dietary supplements based mostly on their HTMA outcomes.
Now, to your level, if somebody’s on a finances, you may be capable of do that quite a bit cheaper by having them take the person issues. Once more, relying on the place they’re at of their well being journey, they’re like, I can take 15 dietary supplements for half the value or one complement for double. After all, I’m going to take the 15, no large deal. Different individuals don’t like swallowing tablets, some individuals neglect. It truly is individualized and also you gotta know your shoppers.
HTMA Check – Vykon Dietary supplements
I feel there’s one thing to what you simply mentioned. I obtained the Vykon Customs only for the sake of, I already take a bunch of stuff trigger I’m a well being freak. I’ve like a pure pharmacy in my home, principally, that I’ve to throw out half the stuff yearly simply to recycle issues.
However I did the Vykon Customs, and I used to be amazed by how a lot they would slot in to simply that little scoop of powder that tastes completely terrible as a result of it’s minerals and nutritional vitamins. However you simply combine it into one thing, it’s down in two seconds, after which it’s good to go. I’ve appreciated it. I discovered it labored as effectively, and I’m already a really wholesome man. So, for me to have felt fast, nearly profit from taking this complement, I used to be fairly impressed by it.
Practical Diagnostic Vitamin YouTube
As I’m speaking about myself right here, I want to convey up lab take a look at outcomes from myself. Barbara and I talked about this earlier than, she agreed to do that with me. Now she has not ever analyzed these take a look at leads to depth to be clear.
Disclaimer, you have got seen it in our professionals’ group. I do know you left a pleasant remark for me there, so I appreciated that on the time. However it’s not such as you’re sitting right here remembering this 5, six months later, I don’t suppose. I’m guessing you don’t go to mattress each evening, eager about Ev’s HTMA outcomes. So, that is just about being seen for the primary time with recent eyes.
If you wish to see this and also you’re like, how are they doing this, I’m listening to the audio. That is my means of getting you to our YouTube trigger we simply began importing our fantastic FDNs’ and different friends’ faces on there. Now it is possible for you to to test it out.
Should you’re listening to this, it’s already on our YouTube. Seek for Practical Diagnostic Vitamin. Clearly, we’re going to let this audio proceed to run. It’s not like it’s a must to be wanting on the take a look at. However if you wish to see it, that’s how we’ll do it.
I’ll share the display right here and hopefully it will work simply sufficient for you in your telephone. Let’s see the way it comes up for you, Barbara.
Commerical Break – Strive the FDN Course for Free & The Biohacking Congress (Miami)
Hey there mates. It’s Detective Ev popping in right here actually fast. Possibly you’re listening to this and pondering, wow, these guys are cool. Have a look at them, getting to research these labs and get them organized for shoppers. If you want to do the identical factor, then possibly you should undergo the FDN coaching program, huh?
Go to fdntraining.com/tryfdn to strive the FDN course fully totally free, no bank card is required. That’s fdntraining.com/tryfdn.
Then additionally my second little commercial right here for you guys, if you’ll. If you wish to see Reed Davis and I, we will likely be at a convention collectively in October of 2022. It’s, October twenty second and twenty third. Saturday the twenty second and Sunday, the twenty third. It’s within the Miami space and it is named the Biohacking Congress. It’s one thing that occurs a number of occasions a yr, so it’s a smaller occasion.
However what’s cool about it being a smaller occasion is you actually get to speak to everybody. I’ve gotten to know these individuals so effectively, it’s fairly enjoyable. Reed will likely be talking there. He’s truly the primary speaker of the weekend if I’m not mistaken. I’ll be working the sales space quite a bit. My girlfriend, Maddy, who simply began the FDN course, may also be there. My dad and mom are even coming. They’re not going to be there the entire weekend, however they’ll be hanging out.
You’ll be able to meet lots of people. I’ll depart some hyperlinks to that within the present notes, if you happen to’re thinking about getting tickets for the Biohacking Congress. Should you guys could make it, we’d like to see you there.
All proper. Now, again to at present’s episode.
Discover Shopper’s Cause Behind Operating the HTMA Check
So, we pulled the outcomes up and we obtained this sorted out. You might see the primary web page simply sufficient. We’re that precise factor that you just had been speaking about earlier than these 4 or 5 principal markers. On this one, it’s truly extra of the 4, I assume, trigger we now have the calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium. I do have the phosphorus on the finish, so I don’t know if you wish to make the most of that.
Ought to I give extra background on how this went or what do you want from me?
[00:23:41] Barbara Madimenos: Normally I ask individuals, what’s the principal cause of eager to run a hair take a look at? What’s your present principal well being concern? And in case you are at the moment taking any dietary supplements, trigger dietary supplements may immediately affect your minerals.
[00:23:55] Detective Ev: I’ll provide you with my quick rundown. For me, the explanation I ran it, one was simply the overall fascination that comes as an FDN. I couldn’t resist. I hold listening to everybody discuss this, I gotta run it myself. However quantity two, you’ll discover the date was in February, February twenty fifth of this yr.
At the moment of the yr, I’m working within the faculties. I’m full time in there. I do different issues exterior of this, in fact, just like the podcast, enterprise, no matter. And it’s winter. I do know you’re up in Canada, I’m in Pennsylvania. I do know Canada’s worse, however Pennsylvania is just not notably enjoyable in winter both.
I’m working greater than I ever do at some other time in the course of the yr. It’s additionally depressing out. I’m getting much less gentle. I’m not in my regular habits as a lot as I’d prefer to be. I’m touring quite a bit. So, I felt the fatigue approaching.
HTMA Check – Some Fatigue & Some Low Minerals
I sort of knew that I used to be doing most different issues accurately. I used to be like, all proper, I’d as effectively run this now. I heard that it may possibly assist with fatigue and stuff. Possibly I’m simply not giving my physique what it wants as a result of when I’m on the highway, I gotta watch out. I don’t actually need to get uncovered to gluten and stuff, so I do find yourself consuming quite a bit much less. And I understand I used to be sort of like beneath fed throughout that point interval of my life.
That’s one factor that would result in a clue for why these outcomes got here up the best way that they did. Even when I’m having fun with what I’m doing, it’s excessive stress. Proper? You’re talking. Even when I adore it, my coronary heart price is tremendous excessive. I imply, it’s a tense factor. Your adrenaline’s going. In order that was the context.
I used to be feeling some fatigue. I used to be feeling just a little run down. I had causes that it was sort of apparent, however I figured I’d nonetheless run the take a look at to see what got here up and a few issues did come up.
[00:25:16] Barbara Madimenos: Precisely. It’s attention-grabbing that you just had been saying that you just had a little bit of fatigue as a result of you have got a few minerals which might be on the decrease aspect, so it is sensible. You had been most likely simply utilizing them up faster than you had been possibly used to.
HTMA Check – Oxidation Charge
To begin off, normally the very first thing that we have a look at is your calcium to phosphorus ratio, which represents your oxidation price. Right here we’re seeing that you just had been a gradual oxidizer trigger your calcium is increased to your phosphorus ratio.
Sometimes, that simply implies that your physique is a bit slower in utilizing the power that you’ve. Although you may need power saved, it’s only a bit extra sluggish in utilizing it. That’s why you could be feeling just a little extra drained. Actually, your calcium is just not extraordinarily excessive. I’ve seen like 400 earlier than. However we’d sometimes name it like a calcium shell.
I feel your calcium is simply trending a bit excessive possibly as a result of your sodium is a bit excessive. They sort of play like a task, the place they antagonize one another. Similar factor with magnesium, they antagonize one another.
Sorry, they don’t antagonize one another. I imply, calcium may simply be trending excessive as a result of your potassium could be a bit low as a result of they antagonize one another. If one goes up, one goes down. It’s kinda like a seesaw. However sometimes, if somebody has the next calcium stage than what they’re alleged to, I simply inform individuals, get on a K2 complement so you could possibly be capable of direct the calcium correctly to the bones relatively than to tissues, since you may over calcify.
HTMA Check – Calcium Ratios
Then I look to the ratios of how calcium is said to different minerals. You’ve your calcium to magnesium ratio; you have got your calcium to potassium ratio.
You see on the backside there, your calcium to magnesium ratio is low. So that would sign low blood sugar. Possibly you had been feeling fatigued just a little extra faster all through the day. Possibly you had been burning via the power by which your meals was offering you a bit too quick to maintain you.
Then your calcium to potassium ratio was actually excessive. This might sign that your cells usually are not sensitized to thyroid hormone as a result of the calcium is basically blocking potassium to assist the thyroid hormone to really enter the cell and put it to use appropriately.
[00:27:22] Detective Ev: For these watching the video, I scrolled to the underside, trigger that’s the place it’s truly displaying you the ratios. I feel that is the place you could possibly see a very attention-grabbing image. As a result of on the people who I’ve seen share HTMA take a look at outcomes, Barbara, like in our group, truthfully, my high web page seems higher than like 99% of them. In order that’s nice.
However then if you go to the underside, I imply, all the pieces in our world continues to be relative, that’s like one of many issues we’re educated in and that’s the place it turns into sort of apparent. You might see, though lots of these things is both perfect or not notably removed from perfect, once more, in comparison with most individuals that run these exams, if you have a look at my ratios, you possibly can see this proper right here. I don’t must be an knowledgeable on this to know, that is clearly excessive. That is excessive, that’s low. That’s possibly within the center and that’s positively perfect, clearly.
HTMA Check – Poisonous Metals
Then you could possibly see why somebody could be presenting with the signs as a result of though the degrees could be okay, in and of themselves, the ratios matter quite a bit on this take a look at, don’t they?
Barbara Madimenos: That’s proper.
Detective Ev: All proper. I’ll leap round after which we would return to the highest, however I needed to maneuver to the poisonous metals factor. I really feel like anybody that sees this could be like, wait a second. You had poisonous metals? How widespread is it if you’re using these exams to see some stage of metals within the particular person’s hair?
I imply, is there ever a time that you just’re not seeing metals?
[00:28:34] Barbara Madimenos: It’s fairly uncommon. I imply, I feel everybody has a little bit of poisonous metals. It’s simply the world that we dwell in as effectively. Relying, you realize, like what sort of water you’re consuming, what sort of meals you’re consuming. It’s to not say that even if you happen to eat natural that you just’re not going to search out metals in your meals.
There’s ranges of metals in chocolate, there’s stage of metals in rice. I feel cadmium is present in cocoa and arsenic is present in rice, if I’m not mistaken. You might discover all types of issues in water, particularly if you happen to drink faucet water or effectively water. You might even discover issues in prescribed drugs. You might discover issues in hair dye, if you happen to’re someone who’s dyeing hair, or tattoos.
There’s so many issues. What I sometimes inform individuals is so long as we see that your poisonous metals don’t finally turn into worse or they’re hindering you, I don’t suppose there’s something essentially to freak out about and suppose, oh my God, I’m going to die.
HTMA Check – Retest to Assess Development
To begin with, are they caught in your tissues? Let’s do a few retests, like retest two, three or 4. Trigger it’s a must to run a hair take a look at a few occasions to see the way you’re progressing. Is it popping out of the tissues? Are you coping with any signs, and so forth?
If it’s only a matter of it being environmental, I normally inform individuals, you could possibly possibly take a complement that’s going to assist take away them out of the system, since you’re continuously uncovered. You realize, akin to like possibly chlorophyl or like a fulvic or humic acid complement or one thing like that.
[00:29:56] Detective Ev: What’s actually attention-grabbing about this poisonous metals half to me is cadmium. Sure, you’re completely proper. It’s tremendous widespread in chocolate. The truth is, if you happen to purchase sure sweets, there’ll be a warning on the again that just like the state within the US, at the very least the state of California acknowledges, that there’s cancerous merchandise on this, and it’s referring to cadmium.
Now I’m a chocaholic. I’m the explanation they invented the phrase. That actually obtained quite a bit worse over the past two years. Completely not correlated with the pandemic and life stress. What’s attention-grabbing, Barbara, is that you’d suppose then my cadmium could be tremendous excessive. This chocoholic factor actually got here to fruition within the final two years, that’s when it obtained actually unhealthy. But right here it is extremely low.
HTMA Check – How Usually to Retest
Now over the past two years, I had been extra concerned in ketosis, longer fasts, extended fasts, and but it’s actually low. So, I’m nearly pondering I actually want I had an HTMA take a look at from the start of my FDN journey. Trigger I’m sort of sitting right here questioning if that is that low and I’m clearly getting fixed publicity to it, it nearly looks like that was getting kicked out.
So, if these are nonetheless current, I might discover it actually onerous to imagine I’m getting uncovered to those issues greater than the cadmium, realizing my food regimen. It’s making me surprise, effectively, had been these simply terribly excessive at one level, and now I’ve been clearing that out progressively.
It’ll be fascinating to see what a retest of it will present. I’m nearly achieved with my Vykon dietary supplements after which I’ll retest. Do you retest, as quickly as you’re achieved with the dietary supplements or is there a time period that you just wait after supplementing?
[00:31:22] Barbara Madimenos: I retest normally each three to 4 months.
Detective Ev: No matter the place they’re at?
Barbara Madimenos: Yeah, precisely. To sort of see the development. Not everybody’s hair grows as rapidly. I’ve seen that my hair doesn’t develop inside three months. My hair will develop possibly each 5 months. My protocols are sometimes 4 months. I’ll sometimes retest each 4 to 5 months with individuals.
HTMA Check – Extra Minerals
[00:31:47] Detective Ev: I’m due one then. I really feel like it is a nice excuse to go spend more cash on lab exams. Thanks a lot. That’s all of the justification I want.
All proper. Shifting on to further minerals then. I’m comparatively ignorant on most of it, further minerals is by far my worst part. What’s occurring over right here? What does this imply? And what are the implications to somebody’s well being and even simply my case with what I offered to you with sort of the fatigue and burnout?
[00:32:09] Barbara Madimenos: The truth that your cobalt is basically low may typically sign low abdomen acidity or a poor methylization or absorption of methylized B nutritional vitamins, like B12 or B9, and even like B6 or issues like that.
When you’ve got low abdomen acidity, that is sensible. In case your careworn, your physique does produce much less abdomen acid as a result of it simply needs to place extra power into extra vital issues. I don’t know if on the time if you did this take a look at, you had been having bother of a little bit of digestion or possibly you had been bloated or something like that.
Low cobalt may even probably be an indication of H. Pylori, as a result of it’s so linked to abdomen acidity. I don’t leap to it that rapidly. I simply ask individuals, hey, do you have got any signs? Do you need to possibly run a take a look at, like probably a GI MAP to see the place you’re at, relying on why they got here to me.
HTMA Check – Boron and Lithium
Do it’s a must to ask them to verify for boron or is that N/A, does that imply they didn’t decide it up?
[00:33:04] Detective Ev: That’s query. I’m truly undecided. I ran the take a look at as a standalone. I simply despatched it in, and that is what they gave me. That might suggest to me that they’re working it and possibly it’s simply nonetheless undetectable. Even when that’s the case, I’m undecided.
I’ll say, I need to allow you to end your evaluation. However you may be shocked how spot in your cobalt factor was in a second. Trigger I didn’t inform you any of that stuff. So, we’ll return to that.
[00:33:24] Barbara Madimenos: Sometimes, I all the time take a look at for boron with my shoppers simply because it’s so linked to magnesium, and also you want boron to retain magnesium inside the cell. If we see excessive ranges of magnesium, which you do have, I might’ve most likely really useful a boron complement. It’s additionally actually helpful for like arthritis and bone issues as effectively, or any kind of inflammatory kind of arthritic or bone situations.
Then there’s additionally the lithium, which it’s normally good to your psychological well being. I inform individuals, if you happen to’re someone who’s like just a little extra depressed, extra on the decrease fatigued aspect, it could be a good suggestion to think about elevating them. Some individuals don’t prefer to play with lithium as a result of they’ve this misunderstanding on the advantages of it. However yours is low and also you had been saying that you just may really feel a bit fatigued. You had been working quite a bit. So, it is sensible that you just had been a bit low on it.
HTMA Check – Molybdenum and Nickel
Then the molybdenum, extra associated to your metabolism and issues. We sometimes don’t need that top in any respect. However once more, you most likely may have raised that possibly a bit with a complement to assist with that.
Nickel, you realize, it’s attention-grabbing. I don’t see it as an extra mineral, I see it extra as a steel. It’s attention-grabbing that it’s within the further mineral part.
[00:34:32] Detective Ev: I’ll go to the cobalt factor then. And thanks for this, this evaluation is superior.
The cobalt factor is fascinating as a result of I don’t even know if I shared this on this present but as a result of it wasn’t diagnostic, so I don’t need to be deceptive. I don’t need to sound like a loopy particular person. I’ll have pushed the physique just a little too far as a result of I actually don’t get that many well being signs these days.
Not solely did the fatigue come, Barbara, however I very a lot suspect and have completely some good proof to help the concept that I used to be coping with a minor abdomen ulcer on the time of testing this. Now, fortunately, I obtained that healed up. That’s why it’s much more indicative that it was a abdomen ulcer, trigger I sort of did my very own factor with it.
This can be a private selection, I’m not recommending that to anybody. All the time go to a physician if you happen to suspect that you’ve one thing. However I used to be pondering I may possibly determine this out. There have been sure meals that had been triggering it. Ginger would set off it. Chocolate was getting unhealthy. Caffeine was getting unhealthy and I’m not even an enormous caffeine drinker to start with. However all of these items would set off it.
HTMA Check – Low Cobalt Can Be Indicative of Low Abdomen Acid
I found out what meals didn’t, I ate these for some time. I did some dietary supplements, some protocols. Positive sufficient, I simply began introducing these meals once more and I’m having zero downside with these items. My level is for people who don’t know, I had a historical past of H pylori. I’m certain I nonetheless both have some remnants of it or no matter.
Such as you mentioned, H pylori is very indicated within the low abdomen acidity. I imply, I had a abdomen ulcer for God’s sake, which isn’t truly correlated with too excessive of abdomen acid. It’s as a result of individuals get too low of abdomen acid. When it hits the abdomen, there’s no safety. Then impulsively, bam, you’re getting these ulcers and different damages. That could be a gross oversimplification of how an ulcer involves be, simply to be clear.
So, don’t go to your physician and say, oh, Detective Ev instructed me that is how an ulcer begins. However that’s a primary means of explaining a part of it. That was fascinating to me that you just had been in a position to assume that with out me giving any trace that that’s one thing that I cope with. All the pieces you mentioned was 100% spot on.
[00:36:20] Barbara Madimenos: You’re 100%, proper. It’s attention-grabbing as a result of I feel individuals don’t see simply how priceless a mineral may play a task in one thing like that or the way it may truly affect it.
HTMA Check – Minerals are Important and Influential
I’m glad you’re feeling higher. That’s why it’s so vital to additionally know your medical historical past. You’ll be able to’t simply run a take a look at and count on it to provide the reply. It’s important to know what you had been going via or what you might be at the moment going via to have the ability to make the appropriate connections.
Minerals may level you to so many various instructions, proper? For instance, the low lithium. Some individuals may think about that potential toxicity. However it is also a lack of zinc, which your zinc is a tad low in your hair take a look at. Or it may very well be over calcification. Nicely, your calcium is trending a bit excessive. These little issues like that, you may make the appropriate affiliation.
[00:37:04] Detective Ev: Very cool. One factor to complete up my take a look at outcomes right here, I feel individuals could be thinking about. I sort of have already got the reply to this trigger Ryan answered it, but it surely’d nonetheless be cool to listen to it from you.
Is my iron wanting low on this truly a sign that it’s low, or is that one thing which may not be finest to be judged by this particular take a look at?
[00:37:22] Barbara Madimenos: No. Iron, for my part, must be examined via a blood draw. You’ll be able to nonetheless use it as a reference in your hair take a look at. However I feel it’s all the time finest to get a full Monty iron panel or one thing, via a blood draw, for it to be just a little extra correct.
HTMA Check – Minerals Run the Total Physique
[00:37:35] Detective Ev: I’m going to cease sharing then. Thanks very a lot for that total evaluation. Sort of to wrap this up trigger we’re not going to fill out the entire 50 minutes, I don’t suppose at present. This was nice. It’s an amazing overview. I feel it’s cool for those that both obtained to take heed to this evaluation or obtained to see it themselves. So once more, thanks for that.
Simply in assessment, who ought to possibly think about using this take a look at? That is one thing that you just’re utilizing on everybody. I’m not suggesting for a second, that model new FDNs that don’t know something about this go and use this. However let’s assume that they’ve the coaching. Do you imagine that that is one thing that must be used on nearly everybody, it must be thought of a vital take a look at?
[00:38:07] Barbara Madimenos: Yeah, I feel it must be thought of a vital take a look at. Like I mentioned, minerals run the complete physique. Whether or not you’re trying to assist somebody with nervousness, despair, hormonal points, thyroid points, adrenal points, even like digestive points, as a result of your enzymes and your digestive secretions are produced from minerals, there’s a lot worth to get from, to make use of this take a look at in your shopper.
[00:38:31] Detective Ev: The one factor I’ll end up with, it’s sort of a problem to this, and it’s a respectful problem, and a curious one too. I’ve heard that the explanation that this shouldn’t be used possibly as a vital take a look at is as a result of it’s not essentially causal. Like these outcomes that I’m getting are from different issues occurring in my life. I imply, we had been in a position to even clearly correlate it with the burnout and the work schedule at the moment.
The HTMA Check – Useful with Root Causes?
Are you making an argument that this take a look at is a causal kind of factor for signs or that it’s simply so helpful? I can’t deny in my scenario, it was helpful. I imply, I knew I used to be doing the flawed factor. There wasn’t actually a technique to change that. I really like what I’m doing, I wasn’t going to cease. This helped me get via that.
So, I can’t actually argue that it was unhealthy. However for me to argue that it was causal, I feel in my case could be incorrect as effectively. How do you view it in that sense? Is that this like a root trigger kind of factor? Or is it simply one thing that’s so helpful and helpful that that’s why you imagine it must be important?
[00:39:24] Barbara Madimenos: I feel each. Not everyone’s points are causal resulting from mineral imbalances, however some individuals’s causal points are resulting from mineral imbalances if that is sensible.
Like if you happen to come to me and you’ve got, let’s simply discuss H pylori. Nicely, how did the overgrowth even come within the first place? You had been careworn, your abdomen acidity was lowered. You most likely contracted it, or it proliferated, and you bought an overgrowth. Nicely, that’s since you didn’t have satisfactory, normally we are saying like, abdomen acidities associated to the zinc and sodium ratio. You had been most likely low in zinc.
You had been most likely not consuming sufficient sodium. You had been most likely limiting it, otherwise you had been over hydrating and shedding lots of minerals. It may very well be 10,000 issues, you had been careworn, no matter. H. Pylori was by no means the basis trigger, it was the stress. However the minerals are serving to you in determining the basis trigger, if that is sensible.
Is Discovering Root Causes the Level?
There may very well be 10,000 the explanation why there may very well be lots of root causes to somebody’s illnesses. There’s by no means actually one concern. You realize, we dwell a lifetime of so many stressors each single day, and I feel typically it may very well be an accumulation.
I feel adopting extra of a mindset the place typically you may not ever work out the true root trigger as to why you developed one thing, as a result of it simply may not be there anymore. Possibly it simply catapulted you right into a sequence of different several types of stressors making you extra inclined.
So, I might say it may very well be each.
[00:40:48] Detective Ev: I might agree with that fully. I used to be simply curious as to what your philosophy was. What you simply described, you might be utilizing this completely in alignment with the FDN philosophy, as a result of that’s precisely what Reed would say.
This can be a take a look at, it’s a screening. Possibly we’re discovering the trigger, possibly we’re not. It’s not truly the purpose all the time. I imply, FDNs would love to search out the basis reason for all the pieces. However Reed’s the primary to inform you, it could be so sophisticated by the point we get a shopper that you just’re by no means going to determine it out. There may not even be exams that exist to see what the official root trigger is.
The place to Discover Barbara Madimenos
What we’ve achieved with all these testings that we now have, and all this coaching is we’ve been ready to determine you don’t all the time have to know the basis trigger. Should you take a look at all these things and you then make the in accordance life-style modifications and complement protocols, you may get the particular person quite a bit higher more often than not with out ever needing to understand it was this particular factor that occurred at 5 years outdated and that’s why you’re chronically ailing to this present day. So, I feel that was an amazing rationalization. I thanks for it and for approaching at present.
The place can individuals discover you in the event that they needed to work with you or possibly have this take a look at ran? They’re like, all proper, I want Barbara to research this factor like she simply did for Ev. The place can they discover you?
[00:41:45] Barbara Madimenos: Yow will discover me on Instagram at barbaramadimenos, spelled B a R B a R a M a D I M E N O S. I do know typically when individuals hear my final names, they’re identical to, okay, whoa, whoa. Like the way you spell it? However yeah, that’s the place you could possibly discover me essentially the most. I’m essentially the most lively there.
[00:42:00] Detective Ev: Cool. I’ll have that within the present notes for everybody. So, you do one-on-one shoppers proper now. Are you doing extra group stuff sooner or later? What can they count on in the event that they attain out to you?
[00:42:08] Barbara Madimenos: I’m at the moment doing one-on-ones with individuals. That’s what I’m engaged on now. We could be making a course sooner or later, however we’ll see.
Conclusion
[00:42:17] Detective Ev: All proper, Barbara, thanks a lot for approaching at present, once more, particularly on the fly such as you did. Barbara saved the day right here to come back on and share her experience with HTMA.
[00:42:25] Barbara Madimenos: Thanks. Have an amazing day.
[00:42:26] Detective Ev: All proper guys, that’ll do it for at present’s episode with Barbara Madimenos, the place we’re speaking about HTMA.
If you wish to hear her authentic story (Episode 106), if you happen to needed to observe the YouTube model, or if you happen to needed to get tickets to the Biohacking Congress, in Miami with Reed and myself, then all you gotta do is head to the present notes. I’ll have all the hyperlinks for you there.
I’m wanting ahead to speaking to you guys once more quickly although. However till then, please take care.
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